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A paragraph in the lead is dedicated to blaming Elisabeth Forster-Nietzsche for the twisting of Nietzsche's words to suit the Nazi POV. Her article, however, presents an alternative theory that it was the wider Party rather than her specifically that undertook the mistranslation.
I'm hardly a philosophy expert, but I feel like this should be rectified - I couldn't find sources that suggests her role is under debate, other than the source in her article that I'm not 100% sure on reliability. Could a smarter person than I explain the differences? Couruu (talk) 16:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nietzsche's "aristocratic radicalism" and "paganism"
As far as I know, Nietzsche had approved of Georg Brandes' categorization of his thought as "aristocratic radicalism" (Letter to Georg Brandes – December 2nd 1887, see below), and hasn't contested polytheism and paganism - or even on the reverse called himself a pagan - or at least claimed it - (The Will to Power - 1034) and praised polytheism - or at least what he saw it to be (The Gay Science - 143).
- "Of Brandes' description of his philosophy, Nietzsche himself remarked: "The expression 'aristocratic radicalism', which you employ, is very good. It is, permit me to say, the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself"."
- "We, many or few, who once more dare to live in a world purged of morality, we pagans in faith, we are probably also the first who understand what a pagan faith is: to be obliged to imagine higher creatures than man, but to imagine them beyond good and evil; to be compelled to value all higher existence as immoral existence. We believe in Olympus, and not in the "man on the cross.""
- "The Greatest Utility of Polytheism... In polytheism man’s free-thinking and many-sided thinking had a prototype set up: the power to create for himself new and individual eyes, always newer and more individualised: so that it is for man alone, of all the animals, that there are no eternal horizons and perspectives."
Hello. To clarify, I'm not disputing whether he labelled himself as such. The first sentence is for what the subject is notable for (per MOS:FIRSTBIO). Notability is determined through secondary sources. If you have reliable secondary sources about the categorization of his philosophy, you can add content about it in the philosophy section. Alternatively you can add content to Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche as well. Keep in mind that we cannot analyze primary sources ourselves per WP:PST and that there are different opinions in secondary sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to propose the following additions to the philosophy section of Nietzsche's article:
"Aristocratic Radicalism"
Nietzsche explicitly approved Georg Brandes' characterization of his philosophy as "aristocratic radicalism." This can be cited with Brandes’ analysis and Nietzsche's letter to Brandes dated December 2, 1887, as noted by secondary sources such as [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche endorsed Georg Brandes' description of his philosophy as 'aristocratic radicalism,' calling it 'the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself' in a letter dated December 2, 1887."
"Paganism"
Nietzsche referred to himself as a "pagan" in The Will to Power (1034) and praised polytheism in The Gay Science (143). Secondary sources discuss Nietzsche’s self-identification and his admiration for polytheistic systems as a framework for individual freedom and creativity, e.g., [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche described himself and his followers as 'pagans in faith,' who live 'in a world purged of morality.' He praised polytheism for its capacity to encourage free-thinking and individual perspectives, contrasting it with monotheistic faiths."
These additions aim to clarify important aspects of Nietzsche’s philosophy, supported by reliable secondary sources. I welcome feedback on the phrasing and placement of these points. YitzhakEybeschutz (talk) 23:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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